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grover norquist warns republicans against breaking their promise. >> it is possible if the republicans lose in such a way they've got their fingerprints on the murder weapon, then you have a problem. bush couldn't run again in '92 successfully because he had his fingerprints on a very bad deal, bad on spending and bad on taxes and he broke his word. >> what is alan simpson's message to grover? we'll ask him in a few minutes. >> how do you deal with guys who came to stop government or grover wandering the earth in his white robe saying he wants to drown government in the bathtub. i hope he slips in there with it. >> susan rice back for more on capitol hill with failing to persuade more republican senators. >> i would need to have additional information before i could support her nomination. i think it will be premature for me to reach that judgment now. >> i would just ask the president to step back. >> senate republican kelly ayotte, who has threatened to block a rice nomination, joins us ahead. and powerball fever sweeping the nation. the jackpot now jumps to $500 million. the second
, to be honest. they've got to dress this up. people like grover norquist. in the end they are not going to vote for a tax rise. technically they will be voting for a tax cut because the rates will expire, that means that taxes go up so they can all go and campaign and to rush limbaugh i voted for a tax cut, not a tax rise. it just so happened that taxes went up at the same time. >> let me ask ben this. you spent a lot of time looking at the sort of texture of the political boundaries on these parties, right. and -- >> is this a thanksgiving metaphor? >> it is. it's a stuffing metaphor. richard's talking about what would strike most political observers as a gimmick. wait a week and don't get to call it a hike. there's a movement we've talked about on "now" before, that says that grover norquist is yesterday's it news, he's out of date and you had some house republicans say they're willing to break with him without a gimmick. do you think there's any districts where republicans can actually benefit by saying, i'm going to do something bigger than grover norquist? my boss is the constituents and n
's interesting is with grover norquist and the anti-tax pledge, over 90% of republicans have signed that pledge, but so many are now speaking out about it. this morning in a breakfast with politico, mike allen was talking to grover norquist about this and grover norquist responded saying certain republicans are having impure thoughts about the fact that they would go ahead and break that pledge. take a listen to part of that breakfast meeting. >> i sounds like republicans are less afraid of you now. are you like frosty? are you melting, losing your power before our very eyes? >> no. two things are both fictions. one is the scenario that republicans were afraid of americans for tax reform and me personally and they took the pledge because i told them to. that's colbert territory, that's harry reid, that's what they say. that's nonsense. people take the pledge. the reason why most republicans and a handful of democrats take the pledge is that they don't intend to raise taxes. >> wouldn't it be good if our leaders were not signing pledges like this and actually voted with what their stilts wanted?
on the table. he agrees with grover norquist that the tax rates shouldn't be increased and says norquist is wrong capping deductions to buy down the debt. >> graham has been saying raising taxes to give politicians more money to continue spending doesn't solve any problem at all. it's not a piece of solving the problem. >> allowing tax cuts to expire generate average of $82.4 billion a year and would run the government for 8.5 days. the reality is similar to what romney laid out in the campaign. my plan is bring down rates and deductions at the same time so revenue stays in. we bring down rates to get people working. >> they are meeting with ceos, caterpillar and goldman sachs and other key players on the fiscal issues. erskine bowles, coauthor of the simpson-bowles plan, they want the business community to hear their ideas after president obama met with ceos two weeks ago. a big deal should include spending cut and reforms. >> chief white house correspondent ed henry is reporting that both sides cannot agree on whether they are still talking. >> the republicans suggest fiscal talk hit i
other republicans who said they'd be willing to break away from grover norquist's anti-tax pledge. will you say if you're willing to break that pledge in order to save the country from the fiscal cliff. >> hello, thomas. and first of all, i signed that pledge two years ago, and the reason i signed it is because i think increasing tax rates, increasing the amount of money that the federal government takes away from job creators is going to harm economic growth and economic growth is the number one component to a solution. what all these senators are saying is they'll take a look at their pledge only if the president puts forward his plan. how is he going to close the other part of that deficit? you know, his proposal right now, the most he can say would raise would be about $68 billion when our deficit last year was $90 billion. what is the president's plan for closing the additional additional $1 trillion worth of deficit? i think that's incumbent on the president to put forward his plan. >> from your standpoint alone, there's no way you see fit in the coming 35 days that you woul
are telling grover norquist to take a hike with the "we won't raise taxes" pledge. >>reporter: the fine tuning is they are saying we are okay with close loopholes but they don't want to raise tax rates. the republicans are saying the survey done by a group calls the winston group, a republican research firm, says 65 percent of americans back tax reform and spending cuts over the raising of taxes. here is the senate republican leader on what the g.o.p. is offering. >> without compromising our principles we put skin in the game and recognition to the fact while democrats don't run this town, neither do we. we have been responsible even as we remain firm on this point. no tax increases now for promised spending cuts that you will not materialize later. the american people have seen that game before. they won't be fooled again. >> house republicans are planning to bring in on wednesday a number of c.e.o.'s of caterpillar, goldman sachs and all state and other key players on fiscal includes including erskine bowles co-author of the simpson-bowles and the republicans want the business community to h
grover norquist, condemning his pledge never to raise taxes. >> when you're $16 trillion in debt, the only pledge we should be making to each other is to avoid becoming greece and republicans should put revenue on the table. >> how's that for a profiling courage? senator graham is standing up to a pledge he made to an unelected official in charge of a group that most americans never heard of. a pledge that's 26 years old. but at least graham is voting to raise taxes on the wealthy. right? wrong. >> raises tax rates will hurt job creation so i agree with grover we should not raise rates. i will violate for the good of the country only if democrats will do entitlement reform. >> so he won't raise tax rates and entitlements need to be gutted. but that's more like it. let's see some more brave talk from the gop. >> i'm not obligated on the pledge. there's a menu of options on the revenue side and on the entitlement side and as long as there are two parties that are willing to solve this problem, this is a very easy thing to do technically. what it takes is political courage. >> guess
. >> steve: grover norquist has hundreds of republicans to do that. clearly with the fiscal cliff comment and automatic spending cuts and taxes go up on everybody. something has to be done. the feeling is that it will happen two now. republicans have beenadament and said we can't raise taxes on anybody. and glover norquist said as long as you don't raise tax rates that is okay. and lindsay graham on that. >> i agree we shouldn't raise rates but i think grover is wrong to cap and buy down debt. what do you do with the money and i will violate the pledge for the good of the country only if the democrats do entitlement reform. >> gretchen: i think the pledge thing is good and bad. if you are a republican and believe that raising taxes is the wrong they think that and fine. but ham stringing politicians and many people lost election over there and turns out times change. peter king is also saying he's going to go against the pledge who agreed to it years and years and his reasoning that times have changed. here is the caviat . you are a republican and don't want to raise taxes and willing to
. that pledge pushed by the conservative activist, grover norquist, has been part of republican orthodoxy for several years which makes statements like these so surprising. listen -- >> i will violate the pledge, long story short, for the good of the country, only if democrats will do entitlement reform. >> i'm not obligated on the pledge. i made tennesseans aware, i was just elected, that will only thing i'm honoring is the oath that i served. >> a pledge you signed 20 years ago, 18 years ago is for that congress. >> when i go to the constituents that have reelected me, it is not about that pledge. >> eric cantor, the majority leader in the house of representatives. joining us now, kevin mccarthy, the majority whip, the number three republican leader in the house of representatives. thanks for coming in. >> thanks for having me. >> are you ready to jump on that bandwagon and violate that grover norquist pledge? >> i think what the american people want is to see the problem solved. what we have, we spend more than $1 trillion more than we bring in every year. we have to solve that problem
their antitax pledge to some extent to make a deal on the fiscal cliff. we're going to talk to grover norquist the man behind the tax pledge, whether his tax agreement may be out of date. bill: watch this story now, central kaj re, tahrir square, thousands of protestors back inside that square setting up tents over night, condemning the recent power grab by its new president. something the white house so far has failed to do, so should they? we'll debate that with bob and andrea. >> to assume this kind of pow iris unacceptable to the united states of america. then we can outline what actions can be taken, but first condemn it. or annuity over 10 or even 20 years? call imperial structured settlements. the experts at imperial can convert your long-term payout into a lump sum of cash today. bill: former florida governor jeb bush already generating a bit of buzz about 2016. he held a meeting with former staffers in washington right around the corner from the white house, and the governor would not comment on the possibility of a presidential run, instead saying he was there to catch up with folks
republicans. a lot are saying they will violate grover norquist's no tax pledge. >> this pledge goes back to 1986 and you're now seeing some republicans saying no i'm going to break this pledge. lindsey graham from south carolina, the most recent saxby chambliss did it the other day. those republicans senators up for re-election in 2014. maybe they'll face a challenge from the right. take a look at what lindsey graham said on the sunday talk shows. >> when you're $16 trillion in debt the only pledge we should be making to each other is to avoid the coming grief, and republicans, republicans should put revenue on the table. we're this far in debt, we don't generate enough revenue. >> and that's his key difference here. he says he's okay with the no taxes but we do need to raise revenues and if that means cutting back on such things as tax rates, he will do it. also he says the democrats have to come forward here, as well. they have to do entitlements if he's going to break his pledge. zoraida? >> paul steinhauser live in washington for us. thank you. >> we're in the midst of the shopping f
chambliss is ditching the pledge he made to anti-tax activist grover norquist. what it means for the battle over the budget. >> nobody signed any pledge with me. the pledge is to the american people. americans for tax reform, my organization, shares it with all candidates, republicans and democrats. but the pledge is to the american people. i love the holidays. and with my bankamericard cash rewards credit card, i love 'em even more. i earn 1% cash back everywhere, evertime. 2% on groceries. 3% on gas. automatically. no hoops to jump through. that's 1% back on... [ toy robot sounds ] 2% on pumpn pie. and apple. 3% back on 4 trips to the airport. it's as easy as.. -[ man ] 1... -[ woman ] 2... [ woman ] 3. [ male announcer ] the bankamericard cash rewards card. apply online or at a bank of america near you. [ male announcer ] the way it moves. the way it cleans. everything about the oral-b power brush is simply revolutionary. oral-b power brushes oscillate, rotate and even pulsate to gently loosen and break up that sticky plaque with more brush movements than manual brushes and even up to 50
entitlement problem. >> grover norquist talks about -- to be fair, he put a lot of republicans in a tough spot. you have got lindsey graham and steve king saying we understand it's a different day. megyn: this is what charles krauthammer. he says you are doing the same thing president obama is doing, making the debate about republicans and grover norquist rather than the huge deficit spending and the debt. >> here it comes down to the spending. even if the republicans go okay, forget grover norquist. the democrat, obama, they are not doing their part, point made. >> we'll see, we are not there yet. megyn: ladies, thank you so much. coming up. we want to show you what happened in this elevator that took freedom this point -- to this point. we'll debate whether the pranksters behind this are about to wind up in legal trouble. we'll show you have the tape next in "kelly's court." but when i was in an accident... i was worried the health care system spoke a language all its own with unitedhealthcare, i got help that fit my life. so i never missed a beat. that's health in numbers. unitedhealthcare.
. watch grover norquists people go to work here. let's listen. >> well, i'm going to ask a question to everyone on the stage. say you had a deal, a real spending cuts deal, 10 to 1 as byron said, spending cuts to tax increases, speaker you're shaking your head. who on this stage would walk away from that deal? raise your hand if you would feel so strongly about not raising taxes you would walk away on the 10 to 1 deal some. >> joining me to review that list of greatness, another highlights and low lights of the primary season, michael steele, who never had a year like this. always a success over there. t"the huffington post." that was a scene. you come from the roots of the republican party. let me ask you, was that a good day or bad day for the republicans when they went up like lockstep? >> one sense it was a bad day. interesting that later on, that huntsman said, you know, i probably should have raised my hand and said i would have taken the ten to one deal. i think he recognized after the fact that was a definitive movement where he could have carved out a new space on that stag
, some top republicans suggest they could, shock, horror, break with their sacred pledge to grover norquist. >> i'm not obligated on the pledge i made tennesseans aware is just elected that the only thing i'm honoring is the oath that i take when i serve when i'm sworn in this january. >> there's a lot that has been said about this pledge, and i will tell you when i go to the constituents that have elected -- re-elected me, it is not about that pledge. it really is about trying to solve problems. >> when you're $16 trillion in debt, the only pledge we should be making to each other is to avoid becoming greece, but i will violate the pledge, long story short, for the good of the country only if democrats will do entitlement reform. >> sounds great, doesn't it? only one problem, this apparent kiss-off to the anti-tax guru appears to be pure lip service. as mr. norquist himself expressed this morning in somewhat colorful language. >> no pledge taker has voted for a tax increase. we've had some people discussing impure thoughts on national television. we would certainly highlight who h
out again grover norquist and any kind of notion of a pledge or being held to a lobbyist as opposed to the american people. on the left you have some progressives who are concerned that too many concessions will be made with social security, medicare entitlements. let me play what david plouffe recently said that caught the attention of some on the left, and they're concerned. >> i think what we need to do and the president believes this is let's go for the big deal. the only way that gets done is for republicans, again, to step back and get mercilessly criticized by grover norquist on the right, and it means democrats have to do tough things on spending and entitlements that they get criticized by the left. >> before you respond to plouffe, let me play what congressman peter defazio said on "news nation" when he was our guest yesterday. >> i'm not going for a bad deal, and i think there's a quite a few for a bad deal. social security didn't cause the deficit. we don't need to cut social security to solve the problem. >> congressman defazio and a few others say let's go over the cli
that man's pledge, americans for tax reform president grover norquist who has hundreds of republicans signed. >> do you feel you are under assault? >> no. it allows elected officials to make it clear openly to voters where they stand. are they going to be able to perform in government of raising taxes. >> reporter: norquist's threat that he will help fund republican campaign challenges against those who violate the pledge. >> what i think i hear you saying, we won't go over. >> i think we will continue the tax cuts. not raise taxes $500 billion. >> reporter: while norquist tries to keep republicans in line -- >> protecting medicare, medicare and education from cuts -- >> reporter: major unions have spent millions targeting democrats, hoping to stop the program. congressional staffers met over the holiday week and leaders hope to meet with the president in the coming week. there are predictions it could be wrapped up before christmas. we'll see. >> david kerley, thank you. >>> we are going to turn overseas and a scene of horror. a clothing factory that went up in flames. the workers tr
americans a big sticking point because the taxpayer protection pledge promoted by grover norquist. he is lobbyist and conservative activists convinced all republican lawmakers to oppose all tax hikes. now 10 gop lawmakers would be willing to break that pledge. senator sachs by chambliss was the first to announce followed by other prominent republicans including senator lindsey graham and john mccain. then the chairman of house homeland security committee, peter king. >> the only pledge we should make is avoid becoming greece. republicans should put revenue on the table. >> i think everything should be on the table. i myself am opposed to tax increases. the fact the speaker and majority leader and president will be in another room trying to find the best package. i will not prejudge it. jon: joining us now for a fair and balanced debate the doug thorn former communication is chairman for the democratic national committee and congressman chris van hollen. ron bonjean for. former aide to house speaker dennis hastert. has grover norquist lost his will? >> speaker boehner said revenues wou
technically that goes against grover norquist's pledge. >> well, we've already put a plan out in the budget committee. as you said, i am a part of that budget committee. and we put out the fundamentals of that, where we would have a plan where we would have pro-growth tax reform, and that means something fairer, flatter and simpler, and a portion of that is to look at the deductions that right now really do benefit those in the upper income, and that we're willing to look at those, and to make sure that what we do does bring in more revenue by robust economy. >> and it wouldn't be a violation of a sort of a marriage vow to grover norquist. he has said that violating his pledge is somehow akin to, you know, violating your marriage vows. you don't -- your deal is with your constituents, not with grover norquist? >> that's right. that's exactly right. >> i want to talk a little bit about the debt ceiling because this is coming into play here. grover norquist, again, has written an op-ed mentioning the debt ceiling specifically. a new report for the bipartisan policy center said the ceiling mus
with some backing away from grover norquist and his anti-tax pledge. we'll discuss what that means for the livelihood of a deal ahead with the "morning joe" crew. >>> and when we come back here, we're going to huddle around the water cooler. we finally have a dollar value for what it would cost to ride a manatee. we'll be right back. [ male announcer ] introducing the new dell xps 12. part of a whole new line of tablets from dell. it's changing the conversation. ♪ >>> we told you at the top of the show that a congressional compromise might be in the works that would keep the government from going over the so-called fiscal cliff at the start of 2013. if a deal can't be reached, the vast majority of american families will be affected starting on january 2nd. if you want to sound smart today. >> i want to sound smart. what should i do? >> read the next one. >> how do i sound smart? >> tell your friends 90% of american households would face higher tax bills for 2013 if congress can't come up with a deficit reduction plan to replace the fiscal cliff. a family with a $40,000 to $65,000
that between that and entitlement reform you will get a deal. >> eric: let me ask this question. i call grover norquist, what is going on here? he said read between the lin lines. only when democrats put up their end of the bargain they would negotiate. if they do, they can change the rate and close a loophole and they will violate a no norquist pledge. should they? violate the pledge they won on and run on and may change the tune. >> dana: i never liked pledges about anything. i think when you get elec elected -- right. pledge of allegiance was great. do it every day at school. only pledge is i pledge to uphold the constitution. pledge to make good decisions. if republicans get to a deal where rate goes up less than if the push tax cuts expire, then have you violated the pledge? this is getting -- >> eric: i said don't agree to higher taxes. how do you get away to ask them to sign that. when you might need it. >> bob: who the hell snore let me just tell you. he has 280 people signing -- he is not an elected official. pressure by this is phenomenal. he is right. stop this. >> bob: what does no
that prevented some from paying taxes. grover norquist today would look at that as a retreat a violation of a pledge. but your dad's point was very brother found he said i'm not trying to say hike taxes but make sure that everyone, everyone, everyone pays their fair share. would doing that today, bringing in allowances would it have the same effect? >>guest: many are willing to bring not allowance but they want something happening on the other side. you want to see the spending cuts take place. medicare is going up. my wife just got a note in the mail from the insurance provider, her health care is going up 15.1 percent after blue cross in california because they have a monopoly in california. we are told obamacare would lessen everything but it is going up for everyone. >>neil: but you would compromise on this if you got the spending cuts? >>guest: if you got the spending cuts, but you don't do anything until the hit the spending cuts, they owe my dollar $3 in spending cuts and george bush they owe him $2 spending cuts. i tell the republicans, if you buy into raising taxes first you wil
this country than i do about a 20-year-old pledge. >> i haven't talked to grover norquist so i don't know. >> we have had some people
mentioned is identified with americans for tax reforms grover norquist who has gotten many republicans to promise they won't vote to raise taxes. south carolina senator lindsey graham is pushing back saying capping deductions would help generate revenue. the top republic on the senate budget committee explained graham's position. >> he is conditioning any tax increase on fixing these programs, social security and medicare, particularly in making sure that they are sound for the future. so that's lindsey's position. and he has talked about accepting revenue to accomplish that goal. >> republicans continue saying they don't want to increase tax rates arguing that will hurt job growth. democrats say the middle class could be spared from a tax increase now. >> however as we continue to negotiate a responsible path forward i remind everyone within the sound of my voice of one fact. this congress is where one vote away from avoiding the fiscal cliff for middle class families and small businesses. >> republicans point to a study done by the winston group which is a republic research firm whic
. >> brian: norquist is the bad guy. you should walk away from grover norquest. he said you have enough money on capitol hill and stop asking us . he's been a watch dog on our money so whether you are democrat or republican you should salute him. he warned you in the past that people who walked away from the no new taxes paid a price. >> remember the gang of 6. three of the people that you mentioned spent eight months in the room with democrats, pretending to negotiate tax increases for entitlement reform . after a while coburn had to admit they were offered nothing but tax increases. the president's budget is tax increases and president's negotiation is nothing but tax increases. >> gretchen: republicans need to hire good pr firms to get the message out. you will not go for tax increases unless the democrats go for cuts. >> brian: the president may not have control of his caucus. secret police files using as confetti in the macy's thanksgiving pallad. we will show share how it happened. >> steve: want to see where our economy is going. look back to 1937 and franklin roosevelt and stewart var
are attacking grover more gift. grover -- grover norquist. one side is going to win because it's united, highly aggressive and reckless. >> they said they would reform entitlements later -- >> come on ... martha: later? how many things have we said we are going to do later? it's so ridiculous it makes you want to jump over the fiscal cliff. in terms of raising the debt limit again. let me put this out there. the reason for that is they don't want to go through this exercise of talking about spending cuts. >> the other part of what i was going to say many democrats want to reform entitlements as long as it doesn't hurt beneficiaries. if you are going to talk to me about tax raising. we are talking about the bush clauses, the bush taxes which are supposed to end after 9 years because they knew there would be huge deficits after that. >> this is not even serious. everybody agrees taxes are going up. taxes are going up on rich people period. the real question is how are you going to pull back on spending? we have a debt larger than our economy because of spending, specifically medicare spending. th
with the influential anti-tax advocate grover norquist. he has asked them to oppose tax increases and oppose any net reduction or elimination of deductions or credits unless matched dollar for dollar by further reducing tax rates. the republican senatoor chamblis says he has a job to do for the american people, not grover norqui norquist. what's your reaction to this, these are pretty strong words? >>> a little confusing. one, of course the commitment he made to the people of georgia was not to me, it was a written commitment to the people of georgia that he would go to washington to reduce government spending and reform government, not raise taxes. if he wants to change his mind and become a tax increaser so we don't have to reform government, he needs to have that conversation with the people of georgia. he then talks about my plan to increase debt or something. the only plan that i think i've supported is the paul ryan bill, which reduces the deficit, brings down the debt, doesn't raise taxes, and it's a plan that mr. chambliss voted for. so i think they caught im, and he said things that didn't
that was signed, that grover norquist orchestrated pledge that was signed by so many members to not raise taxes under any circumstances. did you sign that, and how do you feel about it now? >> oh, i signed it and i absolutely believe we don't have to raise taxes now. we can get this country spending under control through frgual management and good effective management of this out of control government but we've got to deal with the crisis we face. we have to deal with the political reality of the president's victory. so we'll wrestle with all of that as we go forward but i want to see and insist that this money be used to reduce the deficit if there is any revenue coming in. martha: i want to ask you this one more time. when you look at the statements by senator lindsey graham and senator sachs by chambliss who basically said i'm willing to revisit the tax pledge but only if we get real commensurate spending cuts, what do you think about that posture from them? >> well, lindsey's, he is a member of the budget committee which i'm ranking republican on. lindsey has said that before. this is not n
grover norquist and a bleng pledge. i don't believe that is a driving force for house republicans. they don't think it's good in the economy to race taxes on those who create jobs. >> president obama said that in 2010 right after the mid term beating the busheir raw tax cuts were set to expire and he extended them. a financial expert taking on the president's plan and what it may do for this country. >> it is uncertainty in the short term. a worse scenario long-term than going over the cliff would be continuing on this path more spending more redistribution. it has to be fixed. kicking the can down the road as the saying goes. i think even if we got a resolution which didn't suit the republicans for example you would probably see some up tick in the economy. what we are seeing now is economic leaththargy. how can they look 30 years down the line when our own government can't even look a couple weeks. >> republicans say there needs to be structural reform to the entitlements. nance is he pelosi is saying what does that mean? >> move the age down. >> perhaps. but they haven't really
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